tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post5537525193137907672..comments2024-02-24T03:34:18.060-05:00Comments on Stealing Commas: Under control vs. under control (Wreck it Ralph and Frozen spoilers)chris the cynichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-28802078369197670312014-02-28T01:11:47.693-05:002014-02-28T01:11:47.693-05:00Thanks!Thanks!Packbathttp://packbat.net/w/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-487028730116232012014-02-27T18:54:03.161-05:002014-02-27T18:54:03.161-05:00Welcome here.
What Lonespark is talking about re:...Welcome here.<br /><br />What Lonespark is talking about re: science movie is described some <a href="http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/2013/05/there-should-be-science-movie-in-marvel.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://stealingcommas.blogspot.com/2013/08/original-character-for-marvel-science.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-90764887910145799132014-02-27T17:23:52.117-05:002014-02-27T17:23:52.117-05:00That comic is sweet and awesome! (With content war...<i>That comic is sweet and awesome! (With content warnings for references to physical abuse, maybe? I don't remember what the guidelines on that are here.)</i><br /><br />Oh, wow, I wasn't thinking at all - thank you! Content/trigger warning: references to physical abuse. (The artist is talking about superhero comics helping her survive as a kid, especially the Hulk.)<br /><br /><i>Also, pretty sure chris has a post about wanting a movie with science/engineering people in the Marvel Cinematic Universe doing their thing. Which would presumably involve more of that kind of bonding.</i><br /><br />That would be <em>awesome.</em> Actually, what I love the most about the idea - more even than seeing the kind of byplay I remember from my engineering college's ASME lounge on the big screen - is that a movie about science and/or engineering would be fundamentally about <em>figuring stuff out</em>, not jumping around and hitting things. Done well, that stuff is pure catnip to me.Packbathttp://packbat.net/w/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-13315117029706786252014-02-27T12:19:35.447-05:002014-02-27T12:19:35.447-05:00Welcome, new commenter! That comic is sweet and a...Welcome, new commenter! That comic is sweet and awesome! (With content warnings for references to physical abuse, maybe? I don't remember what the guidelines on that are here.)<br /><br /><i> the kind of dick that my engineering friends are to their friends, and I am to them.</i><br />Yeah, this. Also, pretty sure chris has a post about wanting a movie with science/engineering people in the Marvel Cinematic Universe doing their thing. Which would presumably involve more of that kind of bonding.)Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-33002284368617781772014-02-27T11:22:01.363-05:002014-02-27T11:22:01.363-05:00You know, I'd noticed that everyone in the mov...You know, I'd noticed that everyone in the movie was being a dick to Banner, but I hadn't thought through the implications of Tony being a <em>friendly</em> dick - the kind of dick that my engineering friends are to their friends, and I am to them. And when I was looking for <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBxepOWO4aA" rel="nofollow">a clip of Banner hulking out on the carrier</a> I found <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08QFstEkSTw" rel="nofollow">this interview with Mark Ruffalo talking about his version of the Hulk</a>, and Ruffalo says specifically that Tony was the one who really helped Bruce turn it around.<br /><br />Incidentally, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cF6vMfhR4" rel="nofollow">found the bit you were talking about</a>: <em>both</em> Fury and Romanoff go for their weapons.<br /><br />Unrelated, <a href="http://pocketaimee.com/post/67817101749/hell-aciously-busy-with-work-but-i-really-wanted" rel="nofollow">a comic.</a>Packbathttp://packbat.net/w/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-10977513594881307022014-02-03T11:39:02.020-05:002014-02-03T11:39:02.020-05:00Should have added more to the "however" ...Should have added more to the "however" at the end:<br /><br />and that Romanoff has been in the exact opposite camp.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-3724895261018078302014-02-03T11:37:36.606-05:002014-02-03T11:37:36.606-05:00I feel like there are multiple things going on wit...I feel like there are multiple things going on with why he lost control on the carrier.<br /><br />The entire confrontation is setting up Fury and Romanoff as The Enemy, in capital letters. Thor, Banner, Stark, and Rodgers may have their differences but they're not going, "Nukes aren't enough, let's make bigger bombs with alien super energy."<br /><br />Nor have any of them built a death trap with him in mind.<br /><br />Additionally Romanoff, Fury, and --to a lesser extent-- Rodgers are all dehumanizing Banner. Treating him as a thing. And this is before one of them prepares to shoot him. (Mind is blanking on Romanoff or Fury, but at this stage they are, for all intents and purposes, the same.)<br /><br />So when he goes after Romanoff (ignoring everyone else until Thor smashes him) I think it's more than her being afraid, I think part of it is that, rationally, she's not on his side and never has been.<br /><br />She and hers (Fury) have lied to him, manipulated him, been using him to get back what they intend to use as the most terrible weapon ever, prepared to kill him to the point of redesigning the ship with killing him in mind, and, before the attack, were about to draw a loaded weapon on him without provocation. (Stark (not Tony) contrast to time Romanoff did draw on him.)<br /><br />However, I do think it's a good point that Stark (yes Tony) is the one who treats him as a human being and urges him to accept the aspects of himself he'd rather suppress.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-12724004364113989272014-02-03T10:13:05.719-05:002014-02-03T10:13:05.719-05:00This is precisely what I was about to post about T...This is precisely what I was about to post about The Avengers, but you beat me to it. Thank you!Froborrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08782366056731381450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-55886448326081801892014-02-02T13:19:06.376-05:002014-02-02T13:19:06.376-05:00Your thoughts on Bruce are ones that I've put ...Your thoughts on Bruce are ones that I've put a lot of thought into, and come to know firm conclusions on. Thank you for sharing.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-20370803678536072802014-02-01T13:32:25.902-05:002014-02-01T13:32:25.902-05:00I would argue that Avengers does actually confirm ...I would argue that Avengers does actually confirm that Tony is right about Bruce. The whole "that's my secret: I'm always angry" pretty strongly implies that Bruce has learned to manage, control, and direct his anger, so he can Hulk out when needed, not accidentally. He even manages to direct the Hulk's rage and strength very deliberately in that final battle-- the Hulk is still all about primal destruction, but he only targets the enemies, except for a deliberate smackdown of Thor (who can take the hit) and also deliberately catches/saves Tony at the end.<br /><br />I'd even argue that it's because of Tony that Bruce gains the confidence to pull that control off-- Tony is the only one who is not walking on eggshells around Bruce, and who encourages him to relax a little by joking with him. Tony trusting that Bruce has things under control gives Bruce the confidence that he can be in control. (By contrast, I think Natasha's obvious unease and terror around Bruce only fuels his own panic/lack of control when he starts Hulking out on the Helicarrier.)<br /><br />Anyway, this is a good post with some really nice parallels. Still need to see Frozen myself, but I love any and all discussion of Wreck-it-Ralph, because I feel like it's an amazing movie that got less credit than it deserves because it happens to be about video games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-89275226100953436792014-01-27T11:48:14.903-05:002014-01-27T11:48:14.903-05:00Although I wasn't thinking it so elegantly as ...<i>Although I wasn't thinking it so elegantly as Adams did.</i><br /><br />The best I ever did was, "Genius: what is obvious only in hindsight."<br /><br />-<br /><br /><i>No matter what your original point was, this one has a perfectly fine point now.</i><br /><br />Thanks.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-45236647870887475032014-01-27T10:40:21.517-05:002014-01-27T10:40:21.517-05:00In Hollywoodland, being gay gives you interior dec...In Hollywoodland, being gay gives you interior decor and fashion sense superpowers...<br /><br />(I gather that G.B.F. does a decent job of undermining these tropes. Haven't seen it yet.)Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-57024858262960052752014-01-26T14:57:51.491-05:002014-01-26T14:57:51.491-05:00"It is a rare mind indeed that can render the..."It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious." - I was just thinking this about Franklin-Watson-Crick and their model of DNA. (Can you tell I'm studying for a biochemistry quiz?) Although I wasn't thinking it so elegantly as Adams did.<br /><br />No matter what your original point was, this one has a perfectly fine point now.<br /><br />-- DawnMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-18495596971778184122014-01-26T13:40:19.195-05:002014-01-26T13:40:19.195-05:00I looked it up.
"It is a rare mind indeed th...I looked it up.<br /><br />"It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too."<br /><br />Given that that's more or less how I define genius, thank you very much.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-10999000280978484692014-01-26T13:14:11.968-05:002014-01-26T13:14:11.968-05:00I love both these movies, but would NOT have thoug...I love both these movies, but would NOT have thought about tying them together despite it being beautifully obvious in retrospect. (Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently, Isaac Newton, Cat-Flap. If the compliment is too obscure, I'll copy-pasta in the full quote. ;)) <br /><br />And also ties in to Elsa + Vanellope's ostracization, though one is self-imposed (sorta. Bad parenting aside.) and one is socially-imposed. AnaMardollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373985132003210358noreply@blogger.com