tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post7232218963719513187..comments2024-02-24T03:34:18.060-05:00Comments on Stealing Commas: A note about Faithless Electors, the popular vote, and why you really shouldn't get your hopes upchris the cynichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-40578962601537809142016-11-15T12:49:33.181-05:002016-11-15T12:49:33.181-05:00Related, from Geds:
https://medium.com/@Geds/this...Related, from Geds:<br /><br />https://medium.com/@Geds/this-right-here-tells-me-everything-i-need-to-know-about-your-knowledge-of-american-history-9c3d20627f2c#.go21vtl3lLonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-88704393905109066342016-11-14T10:42:35.725-05:002016-11-14T10:42:35.725-05:00Just to be clear, people aren't talking about ...Just to be clear, people aren't talking about changing the rules. It's more akin to being unsportsman-like within the rules. The rules say it isn't over yet, and there's no actual rule that states all the electors have to go with the popular vote in their respective states. Some states have rules like that, so an elector from one of those states being "faithless" would break the rules unless . . .<br /><br />At the national level it isn't over yet and the rules say that the states can do whatever the fuck they want with their electors. If a legislature switched to national popular vote or proportional or whatever right now, that's totally within the rules.<br /><br />It's not about the rules, it's about the unspoken agreement to not be a complete asshole.chris the cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-44906297882636431882016-11-14T10:04:59.606-05:002016-11-14T10:04:59.606-05:00And us being rabbley reminds me of South Park, whi...And us being rabbley reminds me of South Park, which I would usually rather not be reminded of, but I think the people in the streets would actually yell, "RabbleRabbleRabbleRabble!"Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-49815030008190099682016-11-14T10:02:51.447-05:002016-11-14T10:02:51.447-05:00Historical perspectives on this stuff can be reall...Historical perspectives on this stuff can be really interesting...<br /><br />I know Geds has been writing about some of it...<br /><br />I recall some articles at Dkos years ago about the evolution of the rules for running Congress (simple vs. 2/3 majorities, fillibustering and the like) and how some were changed during Civil War and Reconstruction by people who had previously denounced the idea of such changes. You do what you can with what you have, but the consequences can be significant...Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-15379977032065540222016-11-14T10:00:09.748-05:002016-11-14T10:00:09.748-05:00...yeah, what you said.
And what Firedrake said, ......yeah, what you said. <br />And what Firedrake said, too...<br /><br />Being able to change the rules isn't necessarily a bug, and being excessively faithful to the rules can lead to not doing good... But, yes, if you change the rules they stay changed, to be abused by your worst enemies, and also, you have to win first under the rules that exist. (Almost always. A big enough change to alter that would be a long-overdue revolution and so much would be destroyed...)Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-45585734806077172192016-11-14T04:15:30.867-05:002016-11-14T04:15:30.867-05:00This is pretty much the same thing the Republicans...This is pretty much the same thing the Republicans were saying the last time their guy won the popular vote and lost the college. If you break the democratic system by saying "our candidate won even though by the rules she agreed to play by she lost", <i>they will do it next time</i>.<br /><br />The modern purpose of the electoral college is to make sure the non-coastal parts of the US don't get completely ignored by presidential candidates.Firedrakenoreply@blogger.com