tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post2324450252343096170..comments2024-02-24T03:34:18.060-05:00Comments on Stealing Commas: The reason for grouping sexuality and gender identity together wrt civil rightschris the cynichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06872875475212333027noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-71534152609208810912015-03-11T17:05:47.524-04:002015-03-11T17:05:47.524-04:00Another addendum: this is also why terms like &quo...Another addendum: this is also why terms like "gay", "queer", "pussy", and "dyke" are used to denigrate people who don't conform to gender stereotypes - because any deviation from traditional gender roles is the same as any other.Packbathttp://packbat.net/w/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-58857486858616486152015-03-09T18:01:56.157-04:002015-03-09T18:01:56.157-04:00I would add that these categories are not distinct...I would add that these categories are not distinct, too, especially historically; the Stonewall Riots get described as being fronted by drag queens and fronted by trans women, depending on who you ask.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-62779342934173652142015-03-09T16:46:45.814-04:002015-03-09T16:46:45.814-04:00I feel like there is probably a good argument for ...I feel like there is probably a good argument for restricting a "women-only space" to people who have had experience living as women, but that's about all I can see.Packbathttp://packbat.net/w/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-48041349688303749052015-03-09T05:23:26.569-04:002015-03-09T05:23:26.569-04:00I have known women who are genuinely hurt and scar...I have known women who are genuinely hurt and scared when a transwoman wants to come into what they have previously defined as a women-only space. And because there's no formal definition of what a "women-only space" should be, it tends to turn into very nasty arguments.<br /><br />I believe that some strands of feminism have defined male bad behaviour as essentially biological and unalterable, so to them anyone with XY chromosomes is unacceptable no matter what's happened to them since.<br /><br />As someone who is more or less by definition not going to be included in any space from which mainstream people can be excluded (cis, het, white, male) I have no side here; I just think it's a problem worthy of being thought about. My own feeling is that oppression is bad no matter to whom it happens, and that it's largely a matter of power imbalances; the details of attacks can vary, but the basic approach of "I am in the powerful group, you are not, therefore I can do bad stuff to you and get away with it" is always the same. But then I would say that, wouldn't I? I'm not being bullied <i>right now</i>, so I can take the long view. It's much easier (as in, it's actually happened) to do something about racism or sexism than to build a perfect society all in one step.Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-46347094010991281632015-03-08T21:47:53.463-04:002015-03-08T21:47:53.463-04:00I...that's...I don't at all like what you&...I...that's...I don't at all like what you're saying. I do maybe like what I think you mean. It's totally legit to have groups of women get together to discuss stuff they have all experienced, and those could be physical things related to bodies, so that could be relevant... But that has nothing to do with making anything "women only" because there's very little (maybe nothing?) that all women, all men, all genderqueer folks, all femme people, all lesbians, etc. have in common, and a lot of the things that most have in common aren't relevant to solidarity or community... <br /><br />Is there really a point to having meetings or spaces for people with XX chromosomes, or a certain ratio of hormones in their blood or something? I don't see why there would be, and anyway not everyone knows everything about their body and its chemistry at that level. It seems much more pointful to have spaces or events or whatever for women, or for immigrant women or Black women or women who have given birth or mothers or widows or Native women or whatever. Stuffed based on experience. And that would include trans* women or queer women. I don't think it would include heterosexual women or cis women, because mainstream society IS their space. Although there's nothing wrong with sharing those experiences, as long as there's plenty of space for marginalized and oppressed groups. Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-36359249115381628062015-03-08T11:45:09.951-04:002015-03-08T11:45:09.951-04:00I think there's an argument to be made for peo...I think there's an argument to be made for people who want a "women-only space" not to be forced to share it with people who have had experience of living as men. But it's not at all an easy argument and I don't think there's an obvious solution.Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-11087616307034144862015-03-04T09:18:17.214-05:002015-03-04T09:18:17.214-05:00Also I would like a (few?) million dollars. And a...Also I would like a (few?) million dollars. And a huge-budget spectacle 4D movie extravaganza starring Janet Mock as some sort of glorious badass mermaid queen. Because I just would.Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-46192379619876564352015-03-04T09:16:15.472-05:002015-03-04T09:16:15.472-05:00Excellent explanation. I do think that breaking d...Excellent explanation. I do think that breaking down the model benefits everyone (not just those beneath the glorious rainbow umbrella.) Maybe not destroying it completely, but definitely relaxing it a lot. Because otherwise we can end up with tons of labels, but never enough to describe everyone, and identity is flexible anyway.Lonesparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278753827545905559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3889388775673754833.post-23207427373697650752015-03-03T19:26:18.586-05:002015-03-03T19:26:18.586-05:00That makes perfect sense. Thank you for reposting ...That makes perfect sense. Thank you for reposting it here!Packbathttp://packbat.net/w/noreply@blogger.com